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	<title>Comments on: The Delta Airlines Effort and Global Warming</title>
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	<description>life and technology on the north coast of california</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Aaron Antrim</title>
		<link>http://talkingtech.net/2007/12/24/the-delta-airlines-effort-and-global-warming/#comment-29467</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Antrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My step-dad was telling me about Energy Victory recently.  He heard something on NPR, I think.  From the book's cover and website, it looks like it is more about energy security than global warming and other issues.  Biofuels may be a good energy security policy, but they don't solve the all the problems from emissions.

New technologies in our vehicles is important, as well as regulations to drive technology improvements.  I usually think the best approach is to affect the market via pricing, without passing too-prescriptive policies (ex: to promote energy security, simply raise taxes on imported oil significantly, and manufacturers will respond by producing more efficient and flex-fuel vehicles).

However, I vigilantly remind people that improved vehicles don't offer all the health, economic, social, and environmental benefits that walkable, bikable, and transit-oriented cities do:  See &lt;a href="http://www.green-wheels.org/hybridhype" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Don't buy the hybrid hype"&lt;/a&gt;, my column that appeared in the Eureka Reporter and Times-Standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My step-dad was telling me about Energy Victory recently.  He heard something on NPR, I think.  From the book&#8217;s cover and website, it looks like it is more about energy security than global warming and other issues.  Biofuels may be a good energy security policy, but they don&#8217;t solve the all the problems from emissions.</p>
<p>New technologies in our vehicles is important, as well as regulations to drive technology improvements.  I usually think the best approach is to affect the market via pricing, without passing too-prescriptive policies (ex: to promote energy security, simply raise taxes on imported oil significantly, and manufacturers will respond by producing more efficient and flex-fuel vehicles).</p>
<p>However, I vigilantly remind people that improved vehicles don&#8217;t offer all the health, economic, social, and environmental benefits that walkable, bikable, and transit-oriented cities do:  See <a href="http://www.green-wheels.org/hybridhype" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Don&#8217;t buy the hybrid hype&#8221;</a>, my column that appeared in the Eureka Reporter and Times-Standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://talkingtech.net/2007/12/24/the-delta-airlines-effort-and-global-warming/#comment-29353</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Book TV I just watched a talk by Dr. Robert Zubrin on his book &lt;a href="http://energyvictory.net/" target="_blank rel="nofollow"&gt;Energy Victory&lt;/a&gt;. He has a simple one-step proposal for the government to mandate that all new cars be manufactured to be  flexible fueled. That is will run on various forms of ethanol and methanol. He claims this would could be done quickly and inexpensively and would a) Drastically reduce our dependence on foreign oil b) Go a long way in reducing our carbon footprint. I thought his arguments were pretty compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Book TV I just watched a talk by Dr. Robert Zubrin on his book <a href="http://energyvictory.net/" target="_blank rel="nofollow">Energy Victory</a>. He has a simple one-step proposal for the government to mandate that all new cars be manufactured to be  flexible fueled. That is will run on various forms of ethanol and methanol. He claims this would could be done quickly and inexpensively and would a) Drastically reduce our dependence on foreign oil b) Go a long way in reducing our carbon footprint. I thought his arguments were pretty compelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Antrim</title>
		<link>http://talkingtech.net/2007/12/24/the-delta-airlines-effort-and-global-warming/#comment-29320</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Antrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad this moved to a blog!

Once again, I'll say that I have no position on the introduction of Delta Air service to ACV.  In fact, I secretly hope they begin serving our area, so I can benefit from increased price competition and service options (on the very infrequent occasions when I do fly).

It's put me in a classic &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Tragedy of the commons" situation&lt;/a&gt;.  Since everyone else is spewing greenhouse gases, and since there is no cost associated with doing so (beyond the cost of fuel built into the cost of airfare, etc.), it is in my rational self-interest to take advantage of the atmosphere as a free landfill for my greenhouse gases while I still can.

On the list, some folks urged us not to underestimate the ingenuity of the free market to solve problems.  However, markets will not solve problems created by invisible costs.  The approach we need to take is to use government regulation to create markets designed to achieve appropriate environmental and social goals.  For example, a carbon tax would provide incentive for airlines and aircraft manufacturers to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions, and would also spur growth in travel by other modes.

Once such a regulation is in place, we'll see amazing ingenuity and aggressive competition save the day.

For more, see &lt;a href="http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid20.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;chapters 12 and 13 of Natural Capitalism&lt;/a&gt;, "Climate: Making Sense and Making Money," and "Making Markets Work."  You can download these chapters online as PDFs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad this moved to a blog!</p>
<p>Once again, I&#8217;ll say that I have no position on the introduction of Delta Air service to ACV.  In fact, I secretly hope they begin serving our area, so I can benefit from increased price competition and service options (on the very infrequent occasions when I do fly).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s put me in a classic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Tragedy of the commons&#8221; situation</a>.  Since everyone else is spewing greenhouse gases, and since there is no cost associated with doing so (beyond the cost of fuel built into the cost of airfare, etc.), it is in my rational self-interest to take advantage of the atmosphere as a free landfill for my greenhouse gases while I still can.</p>
<p>On the list, some folks urged us not to underestimate the ingenuity of the free market to solve problems.  However, markets will not solve problems created by invisible costs.  The approach we need to take is to use government regulation to create markets designed to achieve appropriate environmental and social goals.  For example, a carbon tax would provide incentive for airlines and aircraft manufacturers to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions, and would also spur growth in travel by other modes.</p>
<p>Once such a regulation is in place, we&#8217;ll see amazing ingenuity and aggressive competition save the day.</p>
<p>For more, see <a href="http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid20.php" rel="nofollow">chapters 12 and 13 of Natural Capitalism</a>, &#8220;Climate: Making Sense and Making Money,&#8221; and &#8220;Making Markets Work.&#8221;  You can download these chapters online as PDFs.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson Park Ranger</title>
		<link>http://talkingtech.net/2007/12/24/the-delta-airlines-effort-and-global-warming/#comment-29268</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson Park Ranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that we have an &lt;i&gt;appropriate&lt;/i&gt; venue (a blog) for comments of the sort which went out to everyone on the list, I wonder if anyone will comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we have an <i>appropriate</i> venue (a blog) for comments of the sort which went out to everyone on the list, I wonder if anyone will comment?</p>
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